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venxhero
08-16-2014, 06:53 PM
Okay! I honestly don't know what kind of title I should put and this post would be mainly about me asking dumb things about Pokémon X & Y. I hope you don't mind helping me out and such! >_<

1. Masuda Method
Okay, I understand that you need a foreign Pokémon and a USA Pokémon in order to breed/hatch a shiny Pokémon.

My first experience before I heard about the Masuda Method: I bred a English Ditto with a Japanese Male Noivern. I just received 3 eggs and ended it there. 2nd egg was a Shiny Male Noibat.
This was in October-November 2013.

End of July to Beginning of August 2014.
Second experience (I have both Shiny Charm and Oval Charm) : Japanese Ditto and Male Spiritomb. I honestly lost count of how many eggs I gotten (wonder traded most of them after I hatched it) 40 minutes, I got a Shiny Female Spiritomb.
3rd Attempt: 4+ hours with Female Spiritomb with HA and Japanese Ditto. I bred for several days (probably gave about 4+ hours on each day) and no shiny.

So I researched and looked at a few things about people's experience and all.. I guess it's just luck or something. There were some saying that the Shiny Charm "reduces" the chances, but I don't know. Honestly, without or even knowing about the Shiny Charm, I ran into 2 shinies before I face off the Elite4 and never really started Shiny Hunting or anything yet. I want to know what are your thoughts/opinions on this. Also, any advices if there are any to this trick I guess lol~

2. Breeding & IVs
So a friend and I are going to breed 6IVs and shinies. (we're pretty serious and just started) My friend knows about IVs a lot more than I do (I just recently knew about it but I'm still clueless and confused..) Anywho!
A Japanese Ditto works best [as I heard] holding a Destiny Bond (why? lol) and either Male/Female Pokémon (holding a Everstone? please explain!) you want to breed.
That and.. >_>
Does the Male/Female Pokémon have to have any IVs or will it be alright? Sorry for the dumb questions, I just want to make sure.

Oh! It just hit me. >u< I heard that a Shiny Ditto / Shiny Japanese Ditto is more accurate in breeding a shiny? Is that true or does it have the same chances? I'm not sure if its even true, but please share your thoughts with me. I appreciate your opinions and help! (:

Sakura Mamiya
08-16-2014, 07:34 PM
Masuda Method is really based off of luck. Without it though, the Shiny rate would probably still be in the 8000s. xP You got very lucky to get a Shiny Noibat on the 2nd Egg. You don't necessarily need to have a USA Pokémon for it to work, just two Pokémon that came from different countries. (Example Spain and Japan)

Breeding and IVs. Oh boy. :p A Japanese Ditto is preferred so breeders have a chance at a good IV Shiny via the Masuda Method as well, but all you really need is a 6IV Ditto. The 6IV Ditto is supposed to hold the Destiny KNOT (Destiny Bond is a move.... :p), which passes down the Ditto's IVs most of the time. Now for the other Pokémon. Let's say you wanted a 5IV Timid Eevee. You'll need a Male/Female Eevee with Timid Nature for this to work. The Everstone has a 100% of passing down the Nature of the holder, which is the Male/Female Eevee. So every Eevee Egg you get will always have Timid Nature.

The Male/Female Pokémon doesn't need any good IVs for it to work. Just breed it with the 6IV Ditto. Switching out the Male/Female Pokémon that's in the Day Care for one of the babies (That have better IVs than the parent) will get you a better chance at getting a better IV Pokémon as well. :)

And no, a Shiny Ditto doesn't affect anything at all. :p It's just a Shiny Pokémon. A Shiny foreign Ditto will have the same exact chances as a normal foreign Ditto. :p

Hope I answered most of your questions :)

venxhero
08-16-2014, 07:46 PM
Omgosh, I didn't even know I typed "Bond" instead of "Knot" xD Thank you for correcting me! I swear, this is what happens when you don't sleep at all, period. x)
So 6IV Ditto with Destiny Knot = Passes down most of the IVs
Male/Female Pokémon with Everstone = Passes down the nature

Oh! What about the ability? Does the Everstone also guarantees to pass the ability they have as well? 0:
Holy snaps.. I did NOT know you can do that xD So it'll be alright if the baby is like lvl 1 to be breeding with like a lvl 50 for example. Lvls shouldn't matter, right? n-n

(In the past, I assumed you have to have both Pokémon to be near the same lvls in order to breed lol dumb child I am)

One more thing ;-; THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING <3
As for egg moves, does the Everstone also applies? Or just it only applies to the nature? x)

Sakura Mamiya
08-16-2014, 08:01 PM
Yep! 6IV Ditto with Destiny Knot passes down most of the IVs, and Male/Female Pokémon with Everstone always passes down the Nature. :)

And no, the Everstone only applies to Natures... But if the Male/Female Pokémon has the Ability you want, then the offspring will have a better chance at getting that Ability. Like if you wanted an Eevee with Adaptability, then the Male/Female Eevee has to have Adaptability in order to have a better chance at passing down. For Hidden Abilities, that's a little different. I don't know the exact percentage, but there's a chance that you'll get the Hidden Ability, and a chance that you'll get the normal Ability. (AKA there's a chance to get Anticipation Eevee, and a chance that you'll get a Run Away/Adaptability Eevee)

Yes, it'll be alright if the baby is Lv. 1 and the other Pokémon Lv. 50. :) I do that all the time with a Lv. 1 Pokémon and a Lv. 100 Ditto xD Levels don't matter.

Like I said earlier, Everstone ONLY applies to the Nature. But if the Male/Female Pokémon has the Egg Moves you want, the offspring will most likely have the Egg Moves. :) You're welcome xD Glad to help!

venxhero
08-17-2014, 04:22 AM
You are a life saver! ; u ; THANK YOU SO MUCH. It makes more sense now. I kinda figured out about the Mother/Father having the hidden ability so it'll be easier to pass it down to the offspring n-n
(realized when I was breeding the Female Spiritomb with HA) Ugh, thank you for helping me out ;-;

Its so weird to breed a lvl 1 with a lvl 50/100 xD But I guess it still works! Thanks for that (:

I got it! Now I got a better understanding of the whole Destiny Knot, Everstone, and Ivs n-n plus hidden ability and nature thing. I appreciate your help. >w<

3. IVs
What is that exactly and how do you know if they have any? [Before knowing there was a Judge in Kiloude City to tell you how many they have!] Some people can tell right away if they have any or whatnot. I'm quite confused about that. xD

Eric Cartman
08-17-2014, 07:44 AM
I do agree on you with the shiny charm.
Without shiny charm, I ran to shinies in 200+ eggs.
With that charm, I tried like 900 eggs, and no shiny.
:/

venxhero
08-17-2014, 09:47 AM
I don't quite understand the whole Shiny Charm, but I know/seen a few people who'll run into a bunch of shinies in horde battles and in the safari.. I think its all based on your luck with it.
As for shiny breeding, that is also luck and lots of patience xD

I wish I can say more things, but I should also experience it as well and give it more time! 0:

Master Poketim
08-17-2014, 02:56 PM
Before I had shiny charm i used to run into shinies in safari and horde, but after i got shiny charm, no more shinies lol...

And for breeding, i hatched 1000 eggs and no shiny with masuda, it doesn't work for me.

Sakura Mamiya
08-17-2014, 03:07 PM
I don't know how people can tell IVs right away. I need the judge. xD I couldn't tell the IVs unless I go to the judge. IVs are special hidden stats that every Pokemon has to make them different than other Pokemon. If you have two 5IV Eevee, they both look exactly the same, the IVs will most likely slightly be different (Unless you clone it).

About the Shiny Charm, really, I don't know if it decreases Shiny rate, as I don't have it (But am working towards it)... But still, Shiny Pokemon from the Masuda Method and other sources are based off of luck. I think it's completely off of luck. :p

venxhero
08-17-2014, 08:19 PM
Poketim: For breeding, I "heard" that once you have both Shiny Charm and the Oval Charm, the chances are hatching a shiny is 1/1643? It's 1630-50ish xD But that could be made up or something. I think Serebii.net, they may have the accurate numbers but I dunno >3> Some people are just lucky.


Yeah exactly 0: I didn't even know, but I'm quite sure now that only way to find out about IVs is talking to the guy in Kiloude City n-n Makes sense now and I bet it took a long time to hatch a 5-6IV one .3.

So reality: You just have to be patient about it and hope that Lady Luck is on your side!

4. EV Training
I swear, I feel like I'm super new to Pokémon xD I started playing Pokémon since I was very young. I have all of them (Blue, Red, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, etc.) But like any other kids, we play catch and train (well lvl up) and beat the elite4. There wasn't anything to it but now there are IVs and EV training. So what is EV and how does it work exactly? Just curious, is it that important or just for Competitive Battles? I know some people just want the best Pokémon in shape, so I'm just wondering how is it done exactly.

5. Nature
I recently just started thinking that there are some certain natures that goes "perfectly" with certain Pokémon.
FOR EXAMPLE: Pikachu with Timid (boosts speed and whatnot) <-- I don't know, just something random, so correct me if I'm wrong. I know people are looking for certain natures for their Dream Pokémon (just to make it clear, the desire Pokémon you want.. I should've said that .3.; oh well, too late now lol) ANYWHO so would someone please explain to me about it too?
IF its true, then what would be a great nature for Feebas/Milotic? Manectric? Liepard? Lopunny? :3 I really appreciate it!

Sakura Mamiya
08-17-2014, 09:22 PM
Once you get the hang of it, IV breeding is really easy :p

EV Training. This is more difficult to explain that IV breeding :p EVs help a Pokémon reach it's full potential. A correctly EV Trained Pokémon is much stronger than a Pokémon with no EVs at all. It's very important for Competitive Battles. I EV Train a lot as I'm a battler. :p For a beginner, I'd recommend Super Training. It's slow, but it works. But for quicker EV training, horde battles are best. I'll give you links because I think it's too difficult to explain. Sorry ^-^"

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/a-guide-to-ev-training-with-hordes.3490052/
http://nuggetbridge.com/articles/ev-training-hotspots-x-y/

There are two links that'll help you. :)

Natures. Natures are important. Just as important as EV Training and IV breeding. :p Timid is really good for a Pikachu for example, as it increases Speed, which it needs, and decreases Attack, which isn't needed. While keeping it's main sweeping stat, Sp. Attack, the same. Natures for the Pokémon... If there's a second Nature in a suggestion (Like Adamant/Jolly) then the first one has priority.

Feebas/Milotic - Depends if your Milotic is a sweeper or a bulky Pokémon. Modest/Timid for a sweeper and Calm/Bold for a tank.
Manectric - Timid.
Liepard - Timid.
Lopunny - Jolly/Adamant.

venxhero
08-17-2014, 10:30 PM
I think I might just stick to IV breeding xD I'll have my friend do the EV training if he's up to it or something c:

Thank you so very much for those useful links :D I can't believe there's so much about them xD You are so helpful and so kind ; 3 ; I appreciate everything you done! (:

You really do know everything about this o-o Ugh, I still have a hard time grasping the concept and still don't understand xD But I can imagine Milotic being a tank, so that isn't so bad!
I'll remember those when I start IV breeding 0: Thank you! Also, what Pokemons are best for like Relaxed, Impish and Lax natures? Your opinion of course x) since I got a feeling everyone has their own opinion of which is better. Honestly, I don't have a clue! xP

Sakura Mamiya
08-17-2014, 11:05 PM
Relaxed - +Defense -Speed. Anything acting more on the defensive side in Trick Room. (Trick Room makes slower Pokémon move first if you didn't know that) xD That's all I can think of. :p I never really used a Relaxed Nature before, so I don't know what Pokémon are best.

Impish - +Defense -Sp. Attack. This is good for defensive walls that don't need any Sp. Attack. Like Skarmory. Skarmory is awesome. :p

Lax - +Defense -Sp. Def. I almost never use this one... So I don't know. :p I think it's unused because it decreases a stat that may be useful in certain battles.

venxhero
08-17-2014, 11:12 PM
Yup, I definitely didn't know about that at all xD Thank you for informing me! (: I might have a somewhat pretty good idea about this and I'll see what I can do x) THANK YOU SNOWY. You are so epic and thanks for helping me out!

Sakura Mamiya
08-18-2014, 12:00 AM
You're welcome xD

Geo Sakuraba
08-20-2014, 07:04 AM
This was also a question ive been searching in the internet and somehow didnt find anything that I understand xP thanks so so so so much for this, this will really help a lot of people who also ask these questions to themselves and probably they WILL understand this because of the answers of Snowy The Sky Wolf!

venxhero
08-22-2014, 05:04 AM
Exactly ;___; All thanks to Snowy! I was completely clueless about this and no one would even help me answer these u-u Thanks to her, I got a better understanding how IVs breeding works whenever I get to it! :D

There are other things I do not understand yet, but when the time comes.. I'll post them here and hope more kind people would help out! n-n

Sakura Mamiya
08-22-2014, 10:33 PM
Haha, you're welcome guys :p Glad to help!

TigerDave
08-24-2014, 03:28 AM
Real quick notes on EV training:

Consider it as ways to "pimp your Pokemon"! Same as IVs. The difference is that IVs are bred into your Pokemon, and EVs are battled into your Pokemon. Each Poke you defeat will put a little "nudge" into a specific trait until you reach a points cap in that trait. You will need to know which Pokes provide points for the ability you want to enhance. As mentioned, the easiest way is horde battles, because you get 5 defeats at one time, and each defeat gives you appropriate points. You will need to have your EXP SHARE turned on, by the way.

If you wanted to, the sloooooooow method is the Super Training, which does the same things. You just need to train in the specific abilities you want, and you can only do it one Poke at a time.

My personal advice to you:
1) Visit Smogon University (http://www.smogon.com/) and see which builds are most popular for the breeds you wish to raise. Your chances of getting good trades that way are high, and it will let you know if you want to do something wierd like -31 Speed (Trick Room Pokemon) in the IV. Generally speaking, 5IVs are pretty darned good, as the 6th is usually in the reduced stat your Nature triggers and we've already given that stat up. 6IVs are primadonnas that should earn top trade value.
2) Leave EV training to the person you are trading the Poke to. Each level of customization you add to your Pokemon is going to reduce your target audience. It takes maybe 15-30 minutes to EV train if you know what you're doing, so providing "EV virgins" is more likely going to ensure you get good trades. Heaven help if you accidentally fudge an EV by fighting something you didn't want to! It's like accidentally getting egg shells in the cake batter - just doesn't matter that it was this little tiny piece, it ruins the entire cake!

PS: Trick Room Pokemon
Trick Room "flips" SPEED, so that the slowest SPD Pokemon actually go first! The advantage of this is that your BEST stat and your WORST stat from your Nature are BOTH BEST stats! Getting -31 IV in SPD on a Poke used to battle in Trick Room is an excellent thing, so you will want to know if a particular breed is used in that environment. Because it is so particular, I highly recommend that you only breed a couple of these, and maybe only on demand. I myself play Trick Room quite a bit, however, it is a lot like Mate In 4 Moves in Chess. You can surprise people who are not ready for it, but if your opponent IS ready for it, you might find yourself in a world of hurt! (Unless you have studied your Agrippa… which I have!)

venxhero
08-28-2014, 04:39 PM
Honestly, the whole EV training is confusing to me and I probably wont get to it u-u I have the sited that Snowy posted and your notes to look over when I start! c:

Okay I know you already answered this and just to double check xD I'm currently 6IV breeding :3 pretty happy when the outcomes. Anywho, since I have a 5IV male Electrike.. I can switch out the Female 2IV Manectric so I'll have a higher rate of getting a 6IV Electrike, right? 0:

I have three 4IV Females (one is a shiny; 15th egg), one 4IV Male, and two 5IV Males. I just want to make sure since I have to lvl it up to a certain lvl so they wont lose their 3 egg moves u-u

If I do actually take out the 2IV Female Manectric and switch it was a 5IV Male Electrike (going to evolve it to a Manectric), it will boost my chance for a 6IV and still have my 3 egg moves? :3 sorry if Im repeating.. currently on my phone xD

Sakura Mamiya
08-28-2014, 10:45 PM
Yeah. Switch out the 2IV for the 5IV for a higher chance. :) You don't have to level it up, if I remember correctly. If the Egg moves disappear, then you can get them back from Move Reminder. Actually, I think the Egg Moves still pass down even when they're not there. But I'm not sure ^-^"

venxhero
08-29-2014, 02:41 AM
Gotcha! Thank you so much Snowy :3

That's the thing I'm worried about xD I know if they lose the egg moves, I can just go to the Move Reminder.. But a little worried what if it doesn't pop up 0: